Ettermontering hengerfeste ikke mulig?

[mikaelf]

...The price can certainly be 1500 to 3000 EUR  ...

seriously?   

[rscheff]

...The price can certainly be 1500 to 3000 EUR  ...

seriously?   

Yes. The trailer hitch ordered with the car costs around 1070 EUR - "trailer" hitch from aftermarket suppliers, which do not actually are allowed to tow anything with (legally, not technically) cost around 1200 to 1500 EUR.

The parts themselves are relatively cheap (around 600 to 800 EUR, when looking at the epc.tesla.com data).

However, with a current aftermarked solution, you don't want to get into a proper inspection, or an accident. In both cases, you would be operating your car in an unapproved state - leading to heavy fines, immediate lock-down of the car by the authorities (in italy, even crushing your car potentially).

OTOH, selling your M 3 without trailer hitch, and buying a new one with a trailer hitch has reportedly cost various community members in the TFF forum in the order to 5000 to 8000 EUR...

To make it worthwhile for Tesla and also align it with other options you can buy after-market (usually software only), a markup of 1.5 to 3x is not unreasonable (they can start at the high end, before the process is mostly automated, and decrease the cost over time...)

[mikaelf]

In Norway the towing option cost 840 EUR, including the parts and the installation work (as we know already, it has not done in the fabric). The price most probably includes a reasonable profit already, I don't think Tesla gives away that option without any profit.

So if Tesla makes it available as a retrofit solution, it will come 25%, the Norwegian V.A.T. as an addition to the price. I'm OK to pay some more for the installation ans paper work as well, so let's say 1.5 x of the fabric option. 

I'm not convinced by your arguments related  the aftermarket solutions, since as you mentioned it won't be legal to use for towing any trailer and that's the reason I'm not buying those.
In that context the price of any unusable aftermarket solution is totally irrelevant to argue for, sorry.

In my opinion a retrofit solution more than 1.5 x of the price of the fabric option will be hugely unreasonable and unfair towards the early adopters.

[rscheff]

In Norway the towing option cost 840 EUR, including the parts and the installation work (as we know already, it has not done in the fabric). The price most probably includes a reasonable profit already, I don't think Tesla gives away that option without any profit.

That is a very reasonable price, almost 20% less expensive then down south..

In my opinion a retrofit solution more than 1.5 x of the price of the fabric option will be hugely unreasonable and unfair towards the early adopters.

Currently, Tesla is completely blocking anyone with a Model 3 that hasn't been delivered with a trailer hitch, from getting a good solution completely. Especially (and I think we are in full agreement here) the early adopters who trusted tweets by Elon in 2018, that the Model 3 will be made available with trailer hitch (which it did, just not in a way that every owner could benefit from it).

Between an excessively overpriced option, and not having any proper option at all, I choose the former. Obviously, reducing that price over time would also be maximizing profits for Tesla - while eventually meeting the acceptable pain point of owners (time to wait for it, vs. cost)...

If I could buy the repair parts in NO right away, I'd be driving up to Oslo within the hour - I've tried unsuccessfully for the last 3/4 year to sway tesla austria to do something about this. (Perhaps I should have started screaming my battery pack is on fire, like the guy in tyrol, when that was factually incorrect - when tesla didn't answer my requests to my satisfaction...) 

[mikaelf]

That is a very reasonable price, almost 20% less expensive then down south..

That difference can we thank to the Norwegian government eVE no VAT policy , there is no VAT on fully electrical vehicles and fabric mounted options.

[rscheff]

That is a very reasonable price, almost 20% less expensive then down south..

That difference can we thank to the Norwegian government eVE no VAT policy , there is no VAT on fully electrical vehicles and fabric mounted options.

Well... Trailer Hitch in
AT: 1070 EUR (20% VAT) -> 891 EUR net.
DE: 1060 EUR (19% VAT) -> 890 EUR net.
NL: 1150 EUR (21% VAT) -> 950 EUR net
BE: 1080 EUR (21% VAT) -> 892 EUR net
CZ: 1125 EUR (21% VAT) -> 930 EUR net
ES: 1080 EUR (21% VAT) -> 892 EUR net
IR: 1100 EUR (23% VAT) -> 894 EUR net.

NO: 840 EUR net. The least expensive country Good for you!

[rscheff]

Just for your info:

There is a kickstarter project in germany, from a company specialising in providing after-marked trailer hitches with proper tow rating.

They aim to increase the maximum allowed tow rating for the Tesla M 3 OEM trailer hitch, as well as providing all the necessary documents for retrofiting a trailer hitch to Model 3, which were not delivered by Tesla with one.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/misterdotcom/anhangerkupplung-fur-das-model-3-von-tesla/description

In germany (austria, switzerland, netherlands (?), poland (?) ), the TÜV certification papers can be taken to the local authorities, to have the trailer load added to the official paper documents, on a car-by-car basis (includes some fee).

If NO authorities actually require some manufacturer documents of the car manufacturer, that won't be enough. But I wanted to let you know about this, if anyone here want's to try this route in getting a retrofit tow hitch.

(Also, misterdotcom offers towing capability as an aftermarket solution for a number of other EVs).

Let's keep the fingers crossed.

[sfinxern]

If NO authorities actually require some manufacturer documents of the car manufacturer, that won't be enough. But I wanted to let you know about this, if anyone here want's to try this route in getting a retrofit tow hitch.

Sadly the NO authorities require manufacturer approval/documentation for tow bar retrofit to be road legal and to update the car sertificate. This could have just been 2 sentences from Tesla confirming it is approved and rated for xx weights.

I and many others have tried to reach out to Tesla about it, but its totally radio silence.
And now they are doing the exactly same with the Model Y.

Why the heck is towing such a painpoint for Tesla? For christ sake, approve all of the models for towing and retrofit. Even Model S. Just rediculous. All markets now need the BEVs to have the opportunity to tow. Especially for most people to get rid of their ICE cars and have a BEV as their all purpose car.

Really cant understand what Tesla is fuzzing about here... 

[Torair]

Ser at Tesla skal tillate ettermontering av hengerfeste på model Y..
Ser ingen grunn til at de ikke kunne utvist litt bedre kundeservice og tillat dette på model 3 også..

https://www.nettavisen.no/okonomi/tesla-kunder-ma-punge-ut-70000-kroner-for-tilhengerfeste--sleipt/3423953976.html

[ok67]

Forskjellen er vel (dessverre) at på Y så blir bilen typegodkjent for hengarfeste, uavhengig av om det er montert frå dag 0 eller ikkje. På model 3 er det kun bilar med fabrikkmontert hengarfeste som er typegodkjent med hengarfeste.

[sfinxern]

Tesla hadde lett kunnet typegodkjent alle M3 med hengerfeste. Latskap.

[ok67]

I og med at TOCN har fått Tesla til å åpne for ettermontering av hengarfeste på TMY er det då håp for å kunne få til noko liknande på TM3. Det er vel noko som TOCN bør kunne pushe Tesla på.

[geear]

Det er ikke TOCN som har fått til det, Tesla hadde allerede gitt beskjed til amerikansk kunde at det ville komme ettermonteringssett på shop.tesla.com innen kort tid, og oppfordret vedkommende til å følge med der. Men mulig TOCN har fått Tesla i Norge til å bekrefte at det ville være mulig også her..

[quest]

Er det noen som har hørt noe mer eller vært i kontakt med TOCN for å få litt mer fokus på dette? Det må da være mulig å få noen i riktig stilling hos Tesla i tale som kan legge til rette for det her.

[My2cents]

Er det noen som har hørt noe mer eller vært i kontakt med TOCN for å få litt mer fokus på dette? Det må da være mulig å få noen i riktig stilling hos Tesla i tale som kan legge til rette for det her.

Noen som vet noe mer her?