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Teslanewbie

Sitat fra: Muffinman på tirsdag 31. desember 2013, klokken 17:52
Sitathttp://www.arpansa.gov.au/pubs/rps/dr_elf_childhood_leukaemia.pdf


Økt risk for cancer hos barn ved  eksponering av magnetfelt over 0,4mikrotesla...
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SitatThere is no evidence from either cellular or animal studies that would suggest a causal link. Hence at this point in time the childhood leukaemia data can not directly influence the establishment of exposure limits.]There is no evidence from either cellular or animal studies that would suggest a causal link. Hence at this point in time the childhood leukaemia data can not directly influence the establishment of exposure limits.

Dette dreier seg forresten om langvarig eksponering av felter med frekvenser tilsvarende kraftlinjer ved hus, og konkluderer ikke veldig sterkt ut over å mane til forsiktighet. Jeg ser ikke umiddelbart overføringsverdien til stråling i biler.

Ingen studie konkluderer med at man med 100% kan utelukke et samband , de skriver at sannsynligheten er liten og at det kreves flere studier.. 
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OddB

Slik jeg leser dette er strålingen i baksetet ved full akselerasjon på høyde med å stå 30 cm fra en mikrobølgeovn. Under vanlig kjøring er den lavere eller på høyde med "vanlige"biler.
Når det snakkes om 0,4uT er det snakk om steder der barn oppholder seg over lang tid. Det gjør de ikke i en bil, og ihvertfall ikke under full akselerasjon :D

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/rearseat-emf-below-2mg-reduce-risk-childhood-leukemia-0?page=1



"I recently test drove a Model S and measured EMF levels in the backseat using a Bell-4180 Triple-Axis Gaussmeter. A Tesla rep. had mentioned that I was not the first person to do this, and claimed that the EMF levels in a Model S are "below that of a gas-powered car." I did not find that to be true, but the levels are not the worst I have measured.

I found EMF in the Model S to be below an ICE-powered car (nominally 2 mG) at idle and when coasting, but spike to around 15 mG when accelerating. This is actually much better than measured hybrids--the CMax Energi emits 15 mG simply by turning on the car, and a Prius is around 6 mG. Still, it is higher than a LEAF, which never goes above 2 mG. I wonder if this EMF is generated when modulating power to the traction control system, in which case it should be lower when in an eco mode, or with traction control disabled.

15 mG is roughly comparable to standing about a foot from an active microwave, though, to be clear, we are not measuring microwave radiation (what actually cooks your food), but rather EMF, which will be emitted from any electrical device, such as a mobile phone, which will emit much more.

I look forward to measuring the Model X. I would be happier if levels could be kept below 2mG at all times given that my children will likely spend a thousand hours in the car. As it stands now, the LEAF is preferable from an EMF standpoint.

While EMF has been shown to be non-ionizing, the link to childhood leukemia remains statistically significant, albeit weak. One theory supposes that EMF interferes with DNA repair, which could indirectly increase cancer incidence by interfering with natural repair mechanisms in those with particular genes (XRCC1). See http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10428190802441347)."
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Teslanewbie

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Sitat fra: OddB på tirsdag 31. desember 2013, klokken 18:38
Slik jeg leser dette er strålingen i baksetet ved full akselerasjon på høyde med å stå 30 cm fra en mikrobølgeovn. Under vanlig kjøring er den lavere eller på høyde med "vanlige"biler.
Når det snakkes om 0,4uT er det snakk om steder der barn oppholder seg over lang tid. Det gjør de ikke i en bil, og ihvertfall ikke under full akselerasjon :D

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/rearseat-emf-below-2mg-reduce-risk-childhood-leukemia-0?page=1



"I recently test drove a Model S and measured EMF levels in the backseat using a Bell-4180 Triple-Axis Gaussmeter. A Tesla rep. had mentioned that I was not the first person to do this, and claimed that the EMF levels in a Model S are "below that of a gas-powered car." I did not find that to be true, but the levels are not the worst I have measured.

I found EMF in the Model S to be below an ICE-powered car (nominally 2 mG) at idle and when coasting, but spike to around 15 mG when accelerating. This is actually much better than measured hybrids--the CMax Energi emits 15 mG simply by turning on the car, and a Prius is around 6 mG. Still, it is higher than a LEAF, which never goes above 2 mG. I wonder if this EMF is generated when modulating power to the traction control system, in which case it should be lower when in an eco mode, or with traction control disabled.

15 mG is roughly comparable to standing about a foot from an active microwave, though, to be clear, we are not measuring microwave radiation (what actually cooks your food), but rather EMF, which will be emitted from any electrical device, such as a mobile phone, which will emit much more.

I look forward to measuring the Model X. I would be happier if levels could be kept below 2mG at all times given that my children will likely spend a thousand hours in the car. As it stands now, the LEAF is preferable from an EMF standpoint.

While EMF has been shown to be non-ionizing, the link to childhood leukemia remains statistically significant, albeit weak. One theory supposes that EMF interferes with DNA repair, which could indirectly increase cancer incidence by interfering with natural repair mechanisms in those with particular genes (XRCC1). See http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10428190802441347)."


Kjøring med barn i baksetene til og fra skole og barnehage med stråling over grenseverdiene under kjønnsorganene til gutter på 2 og 7 år 300 dager i året år etter år er ikke helt betryggende i mine øyne ...  Derfor jeg postet denne tread...
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Rio

Sitat fra: Teslanewbie på tirsdag 31. desember 2013, klokken 18:41
Kjøring med barn i baksetene til og fra skole og barnehage med stråling over grenseverdiene under kjønnsorganene til gutter på 2 og 7 år 300 dager i året år etter år er ikke helt betryggende i mine øyne ...  Derfor jeg postet denne tread...

Du kan være helt sikker på at det gjør mindre skade enn NOx-utslipp fra fossilbiler.

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